Discussion in 'PlayStation Vita Games' started by Digit, Nov 29, 2017.
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Yeah sure! I'm in Belgium and I could ship it back to you guys if you'd like. I'm personally waiting for an LE announcement though... (got my hopes up!)
How come the USA, the prude of all prudes, is okay with all of this, but the UK isn't? (I expected it from Germany and Australia to be honest)
Perhaps one of the new rules the Brexit will be bringing is "No tits allowed!"
You could just try Amazon.fr ?
If not the best would be asking someone who live in the country with the lowest shipping rate in Europe
France shipping rates are absurdly high or absurdly complex
I mean, i refuse to ship anything without tracking. The last time i shipped something to India, the package was lost
Oh yeah, that's true. I think it's best all candidates check the shipping rates from ricedigital as well as their own from sending it to the UK. Sending with bpost tends to be crazy expensive but I can always check different companies. Then we can compare and see which option is cheapest for you guys.
That is of course if amazon or w/e is no option.
Eh. I'd argue that Australia is even more prudish than the USA. We get significantly more waifu games than them on consoles. If anyone needs help ordering this game, my services are available.
I’ve ordered fine on amazon France before, tbh with this being such a low profile release it might just go smoothly and we can all just place regular orders
That's why I said I totally knew Australia would be silly about this release, as well as Germany. We all know what it says at the borders of these countries. I was comparing the UK to the US, as I was expecting the latter to be more difficult about this than the former.
This is crazy, I can't believe the UK of all countries is one to block this kind of game. I know Germany is a fan of stopping the gore type stuff but I wasn't aware tits offended them. Not surprised about AUS though... I wasn't planning to buy this but just like dead or alive (which is still sealed on my shelf) I'll buy this simply to give a middle finger to the idiots who feel they can control our entertainment.
Tbh after the whole porn controls fiasco it’s pretty clear those in charge want to try and limit anything sexual they can...at least for you and me
It doesn't really bother me, as long as there's a way around it.
How to get English cover pegi version if it's banned in UK ?
From what I know the European release will have a multi-language PEGI version, would that be good enough?
edit: my bad, I see you're probably responding to the tweet above where it already says this...
I know many collectors dont care because they want every game and probably wont even open the wrapper, but imo its about time our rating system actually banned some stuff, its not just ‘tits’ otherwise it would be allowed like lots of other of these pervert games and videos, its the nature and context of sexualization of children in these kind of games which seem to be getting worse and pushing rating boards into these decisions.
Cultures are different, it may be fine to perv over children in Japan or where-ever, other countries like the UK its not, they should just cut the interactive parts to get the rating, but they wont because they know its the only selling point of the game.
I think you're bringing up a fair point, and it's worthy of discussion. This has become a really large post, and my apologies for that, but it is a discussion that is best kept nuanced, and brevity is typically not one's best friend in a search for nuance (or well, it isn't mine).
I think we all agree that pedophilia is wrong, inadmissible and that people who have (uncontrollable) urges to engage in sexual activity with children (I think the psychiatric definition puts it as >13 years of age, probably because afterwards we're entering the grey area where some 14 year olds look more mature than some 21 year olds) at the very least need help. In this, there is no cultural difference between us and Japan that is worth mentioning. Pornography involving actual children is forbidden there just as much as it is here.
This here is of course much more of a grey area. It depicts (let us restrict our discussion to the child-like flat chested characters that I am sure are usually the issue) drawn females that look like children, and are voiced by adults that act out children's roles that at times appear in sexually suggestive scenes. Now, if we stick to the production side of things, it is difficult to differentiate this from actual pornography, played by adults that have childlike bodies, that dress up as, and act out children's roles. In a sense we check all the same marks: there are no actual children involved in the production process, but the product shows what may look like children engaging in sexual(ly suggestive, if we want to stick the same extent of sexualization of the games) activity. Unless you want to argue that if adults look more childlike, they are forbidden to dress up in childlike clothing, act childishly and film pornography (which I'm sure none of you will agree to), there should be something else in this product that causes you to want it banned.
Is it personal preference? I would doubt it, as I'm sure there are many things we may find repulsive that are aired, but we don't quickly jump on the ban-wagon. Is it a moral compass, fighting against sexual depictions of fictional children? If that is the case, I think there is a difficulty in differentiating something like Omega Labyrinth from aforementioned pornography acted out by adults with underdeveloped bodies. This especially in such a way that drawn images of sexually suggestive activity comes out worse than real-life people engaging in sexual activity.
My final guess would be that there is some sort of (to my knowledge) unconfirmed idea that this has an effect on societal views of children that should be stopped. If this is the case, it is a very fair point. I think that anything that plays a role in actual children being viewed as potential sexual partners is something that should be considered for being banned. This link is however (again, to my knowledge) nowhere to be found, and this is likely because pedophilia, much like all other forms of sexual orientation is something one is born with, and not influenced by your surroundings (much like how hetero- or homosexuality is not influenced by societal). There is however, I think, a worry that the more we allow this type of material (both involving drawn images and involving real adult humans), the more it will feel normal that children engage in certain extents of sexuality, and that acting upon illicit urges will feel more accepted, and more okay. I can't speak for Japanese culture, but I think that this is far from the case in Western society. First and foremost, obviously, because the societal impact of a niche game like this is minimal, if it exists at all. But also because an extreme pedophilia-phobia seems to be so baked into our society that any pedophile (as in, a person with sexual attraction to people under 13 years of age, not necessarily one that has acted on it) either is nuts (which is, mind you, a separate condition from pedophilia), or is fully aware that his or her sexual orientation is demonized, and most certainly illicit. For those people, I think, perhaps things like these (though I'm sure actual pornography may be more helpful here) could help them vent.
So if I am on the right track here, and in our society there is no perceivable impact of a game like this: why should it be banned?
As for the actual game and why I'll probably get it: it seems fun. It looks to have a particular tone of 'sexy-comedy' that I'm familiar with from several anime, but also games like Senran Kagura and some Compile Heart games that often hits the right note to me. I personally don't care too much for the rubbing-minigames, but the system where the breasts grow as some sort of reification of a special-meter, that can be used to unleash special attacks (upon which of course the reified special-meter drops again) is one of those over-the-top mechanics that I'm sure will add some fun to it.
One thing maybe worth a mention in this current climate.
If violent video games don’t make people violent, why would pervy ones make people pervy?
Well now i have to get the game since its denied a release in aus.
Will have to find a way to ship it, cant be too hard.
As for the mammoth discussion and issues surrounding the banning. I totally get it, i am severly not a fan of loli though i am okay if they are kids and act like kids in normal ways. The strong sexual overtones that lolis are used in are however not cool for me at least.
There is a fine boarder between fictual fantasy and potentially dangerous influence on an individual over time. Now i know 99% of us are just fine and can seperate the game world from reality but the sad fact is some people can loose sight of that due to various circumstances over time. I was a teacher for a long time p-12 and i have seen some worrying situations in my time. I would not link games to these situations at all same as i dont link violent games to violence however, i can understand that for that very rare 1% of individuals this can be a trigger or at the very least a gateway.
Its obviously a very complicated issue as we are dealing with complex individuals, societies and other factors but i feel that there is a need for caution and bans like this have their place.
I would like to see some more violence bans, but honestly, i blame shit parenthood. What moron thinks its alright to have 8 to 12 year old playing something strongly themed like gta. There should be more care taken and if such care is not thaken i wonder what buisness some people have in being allowed to procreate.
I'm getting it because they just "Dare" to create a such absurd, ridiculous, WTF game.
I'm getting it for the deep and compelling storyline.
We know the plot is getting bigger & bigger the more you are into the game...
I think the previous 2 posts depict what most get out of these types of games. Just harmless ridiculous fun that we can joke about. I love Gal Gun because its so simple and light hearted but age never entered my mind. I bet under 20% of ppl who buy and play these actually give character's ages any thought at all?
This is exactly the problem, sexualisation of under age school girls is why this is getting banned in some countries, if people playing think this is fine then they need help.
I shouldn't have bothered entering such a conversation. I completely agree with you AJ77 , 100%, and I'd rather it not be in games as you say. There's no need for that and don't get me wrong I wasn't defending it. I didn't mean ppl playing it think its perfectly acceptable, I just meant .. actually forget it. I'm crap at explaining things and Im not making myself clear. I was only going to buy it out of spite of regs but I don't even like dungeon crawlers so I'll save my money. No offense meant.
Anyone wanna buy my Japanese copy?
I will get the game even while I don't like the "sexy" mini game at all, however the rest of the game does interest me.
Longer version then.
I saw how that young character looks like, and while there is nothing wrong with how she looks she shouldn't be in that mini game (let's just call it a mini game).
If I had a choice I would prefer that mini game never existed because it reminds me of Mary Skelter that also has a "mini game" that I don't like.
It wouldn't be the first game I like but not fully and as long I can ignore it I'm fine with that, however it doesn't change the fact I prefer it's not there.
If I really don't like a game as a whole (or if I dislike a certain part of a game) I wouldn't get it at all, current Mortal Kombat game is a great example where they went at least for me to far with gore in it, I'm not against gore in games but that MK game is still the only game that makes me sick of how it looks.
Games like Senran Kagura or the Hyperdimension games prove in my opinion that "pervy" games can be fine if they met certain rules, in Senran Kagura for example the only thing I don't like is the "special" stuff you can do in the dressing room but you can ignore that (or ignore it after 1 time in Shinovi Versus because of the trophy bound to it) and it's not as extreme as what you can do in games like Mary Skelter of in this case Omega Labyrinth Z (compared to SK I do call it extreme).
I know that "pervy" games do exists for years in japan, but the last few years it looks like they make it more and more forced and extreme pure for the sales, some of these games do that because they simply suck and the devs try to get sales that way, others like Mary Skelter force it without any legit reason.
And then there are games that do it the regular way like Senran Kagura for example.
Of course there are people that will say even SK goes to far but in my opinion it doesn't, however I know people that will call a game like Persona 4 Golden a "pervy" game which it isn't.
Even while I will buy Omega Labyrinth Z I know it is just a game and nothing more, but it won't change the fact that I see more and more japanese games force such mini games into their products without any legitimate reason.
P.S. I suck at explaining what I think about this case, but I did my best to make it as clear as possible.
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