Omega Labyrinth Z English Release 2018

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  1. Vita_Girl
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    Because "western people" always make a big fuss about such games.

    We can talk for hours about this subject but this is the shortest possible answer.

    I wouldn't call it protect because in a lot of cases rating boards are over protective.

    But all that aside, again I repeat (this repeating is getting boring).

    PEGI rated the game 18+, ESRB rated it as Mature so they both rated the game and didn't refuse ANY classification of it.

    Germany, Australia and New Zealand refused rating the game, but these countries do that a lot and have their own rating boards.

    The only PEGI using country refusing the game was the UK, meanwhile even then PEGI still rated the game so it was legal to release it in other PEGI using countries, aside from that ESRB rated the game M so bringing out the game over there was also legal.

    So you tell me to respect rating boards which I mostly do, but seeing the game was rated and still canceled means somebody else for whatever reason still ignored that.

    From Rice Digital website:

    The VSC covers the UK and Ireland specifically. PEGI covers most of Europe and rated it an 18, but without VSC, nothing can be done for it in the UK. It is doubtful PSN would consider an unapproved PEGI rating by the VSC as classification for a digital release.

    Essentially, the VSC “confirm” PEGI’s rating for application in the UK. In this case, they denied the rating for Omega Labyrinth Z within the UK.


    For PEGI using countries it was VSC (that operates within the UK and Ireland) that refused the game, not PEGI and not ESRB.

    PEGI rating

    ESRB rating

    Is this finally clear? Because go on and on and on on about this, our personal thoughts about this game, japanese games of culture and the whole situation around this gane will always be different.

    However my point is clear, the game got it's rating but was canceled for different reasons we will never know.
     
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    “Because "western people" always make a big fuss about such games.”

    And why shouldnt we? Pedophilia Is illegal in most western countries, so talk it down all you like, we dont need perveted shit like this on our shelves.

    And don’t talk down to people, you arent above anybody here.
     
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    I don't talk people down, that is purely your opinion.

    Also if you call such game pedophillia then you clearly don't know what true pedophillia is to start with.

    If you don't like this discussion or cannot handle it I would advice you to ignore this topic.

    It's that simple.
     
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    If you can't see the difference between what's a cartoon an what's not it's your problem.
    Btw, you have a Momohime avatar, that's quite curious considering your claims since she is pretty much a minor according to 21st century standards and appears mostly naked in the game at some point. Anything to say about that? According to you it would be pedophilia.
     
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    And if you can't see a problem of displaying non mutually agreed sexual activity it is yours.
     
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    You don't?

    Oh, you do. lol
     
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    PEGI is not comparable to e.g. USK. To get a PEGI rating the publisher itself declares a rating – and the PEGI checks this self declaration randomly. In worse case they don't even look at the game. The USK on the other hand has standardized test methods for every game. The publisher has to provide a complete walkthrough of a game… sometimes they even have to play the game in front of them while answering questions.

    No, at least Germany (USK) don't. In 2017 only 5 of 1646 (0,3%) were refused.
     
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    That is totally bs. Japan is not Akihabara. And please stop trying to substantiate your opinion by spreading false generalized statements by speaking for other people. You already did that by speaking for LGBTQ.
     
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    Whoa, I feel like this got way more emotionally heated than it should. There's a lot of strawmen and references to related topics (such as how the average Japanese person does or doesn't see this type of content or the acceptance rates of particular rating boards) that I feel distract from the main argument here, which is about whether content like this should be allowed to exist in our Western culture, I would say mainly. This post is getting huge, but as usual, this stuff requires careful unpacking. (I'm now realizing I already made a post just like this... well, let's hope somebody reads it).

    First and foremost, the rating boards' decision on why the game will be denied classification.
    I think that, if any game is thought to be harmful to children or young people, then it should get an age rating that clears out children and young people (18+ is for PEGI still an okay rating to be allowed on Playstation, for example). Any other concerns are really issues with the enforcement of the age rating system, rather than anything else. Note that the UK rating board did not have issues with the content an sich. Though they state it
    "promotes the sexualisation of children via the sexual interaction between the game player and the female characters", the issue herein lies in that "[t]he style of the game is such that it will attract an audience below the age of 18" (VSCR). I would say that everyone can agree here that the age rating system could be reinforced so as to allow ID just like we already have systems in place for alcohol and tobacco, products that can quite severely impacts youths' development as well.

    There is of course a further issue, one I think that is discussed here. That is whether, regardless of what the VSCR thinks about it, should this content be allowed to exist (here, or anywhere for that matter) at all?

    It may be useful to prod our intuitions. On this particular game, some have the intuition it's fine, otherse don't. What if we prod similar cases? One issue mentioned is that the sexual activity is non-consensual, and there is a problem with displaying that. Everyone here agrees the act is immoral. What about the depiction? I'm personally curious whether MoMoMo has similar feelings towards more or less explicit rape scenes in pornography, or even in an R-rated action/thriller/whatever movie. The setup is similar: nobody is harmed in the making of it, everyone involved in it cooperates consensually, yet the depiction is that of non-consensual sexual activity. Should this be forbidden? I think it's a very easy slippery slope if we apply this rule.

    Think about a couple that together wants to do some rape-roleplaying. Whatever people do in their bedroom, that's their thing, right? As long as it's consensual. I assume we all agree. What if they film it? I assume that if it's done consensually, this shouldn't be an issue either. If they upload it to the internet (on an 18+ appropriate platform, mind you), and make it public, is it now an issue? Are they not allowed to upload their own sexual roleplay if they are so inclined? This, again, seems like something most of us would disagree with: of course they're allowed to do so. So, then, what is the issue here? Does having it drawn out somehow make it worse than live action? I can't imagine. If anyone feels like I'm not predicting people's intuitions correctly, do tell me. If you know where the analogy goes wrong, I'd also love to know.

    Now another issue people are having is with the characters' portrayed age. Here we're getting into similar territory. Nobody involved in the creation process is underage. The voice actresses are all adults and I think it's safe to assume the artists, programmers, etc. are as well. They all work for this consensually. In the process of creation, nobody is underage. But in the depiction, they end up looking underage nonetheless, engaging in sexual activities, non-consensual at that. Imagine the following situation however, one that is real and does happen. There are some adults that simply look incredibly young. They may be 18-25 years old, but their body nor face looks that way. Now what if they like to dress up as children, and do the same rape roleplay we have described above. Again, same situation, except for that these adults have been genetically 'gifted' differently than others. Should they, because of these different looks of theirs, have different rights? Surely they don't. Discrimination on the basis of people's looks sounds ridiculous to enforce legally. So surely they're allowed to record it and upload it to an appropriate platform, and, like most of these cases, add a little "everyone is 18+" disclaimer to ensure the people at home it's all good. Now again, why would this depiction be illegal because it concerns drawn depictions as opposed to real people? Shouldn't it, if anything, be the other way around? But that doesn't sound quite right either. If you don't agree with my conclusion, please do tell me where exactly I predict your intuitions wrong, or where the analogies fail. I'm pretty interested in the topic and would love to try to understand what exactly causes people to think it justified to ban one and not the other.

    There is a third issue that hasn't been discussed here, but it comes up every now and then, and that is the sexualization of children. Although I do think there is an issue here, I think that this sort of thing requires empirical research to prove that there is a link between games (like these, in particular) and our view of the world. I would personally guess that, for our current purposes (to exclude the way some games can actually change your worldview, but in the same way a book can. Sometimes it plays with certain ideas that change, perhaps, your political or social worldview, for example, Togami from Danganronpa says not to judge someone else by your own values; a lesson I have taken to heart. The issue here is however about the sexualization of children in particular), there is none. The strong anti-pedophilia mob mentality that exists nowadays certainly imprints in everyone's minds that it's absolutely horrible. An interesting side note is to ponder how this is for an actual pedophile, and especially those that have never acted on their urges. There are some interesting (anonymous, obviously) interviews to be found online that show the internal struggles some of them go through, the self-loathing, and the difficulties in finding professional help. Until we find causal relations between any type of game and criminal activities (as the ol' saying goes: correlation does not constitute causation), I can't see why the sexualization of children needs to be tackles by banning this type of content. This is further strengthened by the above analogies: if we are going to ban drawings, why do we not ban youthful looking people from uploading pornography? What's the relevant difference?

    Now, finally, there could of course be a multitude of reasons why you, personally, find it deplorable. Sure, but we find so many things deplorable that other people enjoy. We have a gigantic amount of torture scenes in movies that make me sick to my stomach, that I am pretty sure people wouldn't want to promote or advertise, but those movies are legal, and I think only very few people would want it otherwise. Not liking a piece of content, finding its contents deplorable and disgusting, judging people for liking such contents, etc. happens all the time with so many contents we are perfectly fine with existing. Unless there is something wrong with my analogies above, I just can't see what the difference is with this. Please do tell me if you think there is a relation between the two.
     
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    That's the risk, I guess. How to get clear on a sensitive topic like this in less worda, I don't know.
     
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    You really should try giving it a read. You may find the volume of words intimidating, but you just might learn something and grow a bit. (for example, I got really fast at reading text by practicing reading)
     
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    You wonder why I stick to shooters lolz
     
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    Thanks dad, but I'm a big boy now, I make my own decisions. :cool:
     
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    It was just a suggestion, I figured that you would decide to do what's in your best interest. Just remember that the more practice you have at reading, the quicker and easier it becomes. It's good practice for when you may need to read something fast like a street sign.
     
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    And here I thought this discussion was over but it seems that was very naive of me.

    I will except for 1 thing just ignore MoMoMo his comment because who knows I'll "talk him down" (purely because this whole discussion got out of hand for no reason)

    In regard to that 1 exception, explain what the fudge you mean by the following quote.

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    I took my time to read your whole comment and I could easily write a book as an answer to it (in a positive way).

    But in short you talk about certain stuff that indeed make very much sense, in my own opinion I'm still flabbergasted that people accept movies that contain (for example) sex scenes and I mean real sex scenes and not the "American Pie style" ones, or that worldwide a lot of women read a book like Fifty Shades of Grey (except me, I'm not into such books) and everybody is totaly fine with that.

    I won't start about sex in western games like GTA or violence in them, but in all honesty this whole discussion started because of nothing.

    Yes it's nothing to me, even while I would prefer that whole mini game was removed before localising OLZ, while I am against any form of censorship in games then still this whole discussion was silly to start with and started about... nothing.

    I hate CoD and I hate Fifa games and I don't play them nor I care about people playing them and if they do I'm fine with that, as easy as that is for me so is ignoring the fact people would play OLZ and some people whine about it because they can and not because it always makes any sense at all...

    I'm not really in a mood to make this comment even longer because in the end I end up repeating same stuff I did before and people reacting to me will (probably) do the same, aside from other BS some people said to me in this topic in the end just ignore what others play because it's just gaming overall no matter if it's OLZ, Senran Kagura, CoD, GTA, Fifa or maybe even Sudoku for crying out loud.

    What matters more is if people enjoy what they play, because in the end there are so many way worse things in the world nobody gives a shit about and here we are bitching about a stupid game.

    In other news, I'm gonna make some noodles because that's random as f*** at this point and I'm hungry too.
     
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    Nobody is talking down pedophilia, it is illegal and me personally I am very much against it, I have absolutely no interest in children, hell my neigbours grandkids annoy the hell out of me when they visit on weekends, screaming and making noise. It drives me mad.

    You talk like someone who plays a sexual japanese video game is automatically a pedophile, WRONG WRONG WRONG

    Based off that assumption I take that you also believe everyone who plays GTA is a drug dealing murderer? I think you need to take a step back and realise people play and enjoy video games to get away from all this kind of sh*t in real life.

    Video games does not equal real life. The only person talking people down here is you, if you aren't prepared to have a 'discussion' over something I suggest you refrain from posting further.
     
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    Awwww man, I saw that this thread was getting posts again and I got excited because I thought Omega Labyrinth Z had been re-announced for the west. *weeps*
     
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